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Episode 40: Helping you become a highly confident public speaker with Jaimie Abbott

October 10, 2022

When you know the “how”, marketing opportunities are endless for your business and public speaking is one of those huge growth opportunities. I chat with Jaimie Abbott, public speaking strategist and coach all about how entrepreneurs can become highly paid speakers.

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Introduction

Hello, and thanks for tuning in to today’s episode of The Hayley Osborne show. I am so glad you are listening and taking the time out to spend some time with me in your ears wherever you are today. Today’s episode is an interview. And I always get really excited to have guests join me on the podcast and today is no exception with a very exceptional guest, Jaimie Abbott. Jaimie is amazing. She is a force to be reckoned with. She is someone who I absolutely cannot wait to meet in person. And I’m sure she would say the same about me. So that will be on the cards as soon as I’m finished having small children that rely on me. But anyway, if you don’t know about Jaimie Abbott, Jaimie will help you become a highly confident public speaker.

So let me do her formal introduction. Jaimie Abbott is an award winning media professional and international keynote speaker. She’s spent over two decades in the industry working as a radio and TV journalist, political media advisor, elected councilor, Managing Director of her own public speaking a media training company and communications advisor for the Royal Australian Air Force. Jamie’s worked with CEOs, politicians, entrepreneurs, industry experts and coaches to help them feel more confident when public speaking. This is such a wonderful chat.

Jaimie has done so much in such a short space of time. And she talks about her time with the Royal Australian Air Force. She talks about her time with local counsel and as a politician, and she has so much experience and is an absolute wealth of knowledge. The knowledge bombs that she drops in this episode are huge around public speaking and the opportunities for your business around taking your public speaking feather in your cap to the next level. She has online courses. She has an awesome business. So anyway, without further ado, let’s get into the episode.

Transcription

Hayley Osborne:

Hello, Jaimie welcome to my podcast. I’m so happy that you’re here. I have wanted to get you on for so long.

Jaimie Abbott:

Thank you. Likewise, I’m so excited to be here.

Hayley Osborne:

You’re a superstar lady.

Jaimie Abbott:

Thank you. So are you I love your whole branding and the website and, you’re just a marketing guru.

Hayley Osborne:

You are too sweet. All right I have briefly introduced you and kind of summarized our chat today, but I would love you to tell the listeners who you are and what you do

Jaimie Abbott:

So I’m a public speaking coach and I have really niched this year into a public speaking coach that helps entrepreneurs become highly paid speakers. I have a huge background, 20 years experience in media and journalism. So I was a journalist in television and radio. I got involved in politics. I worked for a federal politician, and then I joined the Air Force after that I’m still in the airforce. I’ve been in now for 15 years, and I hold the rank of Wing Commander which is a senior officer Public Affairs Officer role. I still do a fair bit of reserve work on the side. I spent six months in Afghanistan where I set up the very first media training package. When I came back from Afghanistan. I ran as a federal candidate in the state of Newcastle in Australia where I leave and there was an 18 month high profile campaign didn’t win. But on the back of that I set up my media training business and I’ve been in business now since 2013. What’s that nine years.

And it’s kind of gone into PR over that time and then back to media training. And then I’ve really just niched down to the public speaking training element because I love it. And there’s so much work there. And then since I set up a company, I’ve also run again for the state seat of Port Stephens in New South Wales, Australia, where I leave there as well. And then I’ve ran in the middle of all that for council and got elected as a local councillor. And I spent four and a half years as a counsellor, so local politician. And I guess I want to mention that because I’ve had lots of experience, being on stage being on camera in front of huge audiences, sometimes making mistakes and thinking, Oh, I could have done that a bit better. And then every time I have kind of bottled up the lessons learned, and that’s what I pass on to my clients to make sure that they don’t make those same mistakes, and they can really present with purpose.

Hayley Osborne:

The whole time you were talking? I’m thinking far out! It’s also very community focused as well, which I love. And I love Port Stephens. Oh my God, that’s such a beautiful place to live. I’ve been there a few times. Afghanistan. humongous. And no wonder like you’re a fabulous public speaker. I also love how you say you’ve balled up a few times to in front of a lot of people, which gives people hope that like or comfort that it’s okay to make mistakes

Jaimie Abbott:

You’ve got to remember I have two kids now who are two and three. But I’ve just turned 40. So I did all that pre kids. Which as you know, if you’re a mom in business, that does kind of add an extra barrier as an entrepreneur when you’ve got little kids. So you know, a lot of what I have achieved, or what I’ve done has been pre kids, although I didn’t run a state election campaign when I gave birth to my first child. And I have been a counsellor, you know, as a mom of two as well. But majority of my career has been before kids.

Hayley Osborne:

I was thinking, as you were saying that, our journey has sort of been parallel, but mine, mostly in marketing. So I am almost the same age as you six months apart. So I haven’t hit that milestone yet. And two little kids and I worked in state government, I headed up the marketing team for the lead agency for foreign direct investment. And I’ve worked in council and I ran the marketing campaign for the election at the time that I was in council. So it’s really funny, or before starting my own business. So we actually have a lot more in common than I realised.

Jaimie Abbott:

Absolutely. And, you know, funny story, last year, in December, when I was a counsellor, I was working for the New South Wales Government. And I was also a reservist and the mayor of Port Stephens at the time.

Hayley Osborne:

All righty. How long have you been running your business for?

Jaimie Abbott:

Nine years. So I set it up on the back of my federal campaign in 2013. It was such a crazy time, I’d come back from Afghanistan, where I spent six months in 2011. Got back, put my hand up to run for the Federal seat of Newcastle as a candidate, and then got to endorse and it was an 18 Month campaign didn’t win, but I learned a lot in that time, fairly high profile. And I set it up literally, the week after I lost the election. And I set it up originally to do media training. And that’s because when I was a journalist, I saw so many people struggle as an interviewee to get their message across, they would stumble or they wouldn’t quite give me the great content that I needed for a great news story and then they themselves would see the story go to air and think why did she use that sound grab? And that’s because they didn’t give me anything else that was usable.

So as a journalist, TV journalist for three years and a radio journalist for one year, I saw this on the other end thinking, Gosh, you’re not mastering your message. And I really saw a need there to help people to be able to deliver their message. And so originally, when I set the company up, it was just to do media training. Didn’t take long though, it was literally like three months after that, when I got kind of sucked into PR, because I guess people, they will like to do PR with someone who has worked as a journalist, because we know what makes great television, we know what makes a great story. Well, that storytelling element. And so I did PR for many years, and I still have a couple of clients on retainer on PR, but I don’t take on new clients accurately. And I don’t promote that because I love public speaking.

And from a marketing perspective, I was trying to do too much I was trying to do PR and public speaking. And when you try and market to everyone you market to none. And so I had a business coach one day, say to me cut away the PR. And so literally I did, I just stripped it all off my website. And now my website just has the public speaking training, because that’s what helps me get up in the morning. I love that part. And PR for those PR people out there, you get amazing coverage for your clients, you might get them the front page of the Australian newspaper for exam pool. And they still weren’t always happy, that was worth 10s $20,000 in advertising. And they were like, oh, let’s get the project. Let’s get something and they were never happy. And I just found it a little bit soul destroying. So I’ve got two clients now on retainer who I love and it’s rewarding. I just love helping them but generally speaking PR wasn’t isn’t for me compared to the public speaking side.

Hayley Osborne:

Definitely with public speaking, I guess that covers off a little bit of like how you appear in front of the media, I often have seen I’ve worked with a lot of journalists as a marketer, in corporate and then when you see especially you change over in government, with new premier, new ministers, new counsellors, they all come in. And they’re just a little bit rusty compared to those that have had a long time in the field. And that correlates as well, I think to business owners I remember when I was first doing my podcast and interviewing even people like you to up here on my podcast, like you just through practice and training, you get better.

And that’s where you step in, I guess. Tell us a little bit about your business, because I know that public speaking can actually earn you a lot of money in your zone of genius. And I know that’s something that you teach. Because I know for business owners listening, there’s huge opportunities, it doesn’t matter what field you’re in, to teach others on your zone of genius. But if you are a little bit scared about stepping in front of the limelight, but it’s something that you’ve always wanted to do.

Jaimie Abbott:

And you’re right, there are so many opportunities for paid speaking gigs, no matter what background you have, whatever your level of experiences. I was for years, sort of charging for my speaking and people would get me to speak on public speaking skills, or even tell my story about making it as a woman in business, whatever I was speaking on. And I might charge $500 or $1000 here, if I was lucky, maybe a couple of 1000 for a full day. And I was doing that for years. And I was telling my clients to charge similar sort of rates.

And then in December, last year 2021 I got asked to speak for a full day for a corporate client. And it was December we had the council elections and my other half was running instead of me time. I was juggling two kids. I had Christmas leader, but it was a crazy time and I literally had no not even one day in December to fit this client in. And so what I did was I charged them well, I quoted them a ridiculous amount $30,000 to be exact for a full day of training, knowing they would say no loss of ridiculous. And 45 minutes later they said yes, didn’t even blink an eyelid. I was shocked. I’ll admit.  But it was a great sort of occasion for me a moment because I went oh my goodness, I have been undercharging all these years, obviously, money has just been slipping off the table, whatever that saying is.

And so, of course, I did fit it in, I did make room in my schedule to actually do that training. But that really was where my course was born, I thought, because when I got off the stage and that particular client, they said, do you know anyone else that could speak about anything inspiring? We don’t care what the topic is, our budgets 10,000 for a 45-minute gig. And I thought, well, no, I don’t, I don’t want to be an agent either. So surely other people need to know about these speaking opportunities.

And then spent the next five months putting together a course, it’s jam packed with videos on how much to charge where to find these speaking gigs, how to craft a keynote that sells and what topics sell more than others. And I put it all together, there’s about 60 different videos, some of them are bite size, where I can take anyone from start to finish, and they can come out with their speaker kit, their keynote ready to go contacts speaking opportunities, their pitch ready to go. And I launched the course in June and made $33,000 in course sales. And importantly, the people who have sign up to that course already started making money straight away.

Hayley Osborne:

That’s the best as if that doesn’t feel amazing for you that the results are coming in.

Jaimie Abbott:

The first student made, I think $5000 on a gig with Queensland Health, just using my strategy, she just dove straight in and got that speaking gig. And there’s been so many more since then. And that’s so rewarding. I know there’s a market here, because there are just literally hundreds of speaking opportunities in Australia, where clients corporate government, non for profits, they are looking for speakers, it can be anything.

So my course also teaches people how to get rid of nerves and fears, how to get ready. It’s a big module in the actual course. Because otherwise, we’re never ready. You should do everything before you’re ready. Once you start getting out there, you get that confidence at the speaking gig. And then that leads to another one. There’s no time like the present to just start. And that’s kind of how you get that confidence up.

Hayley Osborne:

Do you want to hear a funny story, in February 2021 I was 39 weeks pregnant. I’m a part of a group called SA women in business. And they have an annual conference. And I was asked to speak however, it was meant to be earlier, but because of COVID, it landed like a week before I was about to give birth. And I was lined up to be a speaker and I was like, well, this is a great opportunity, I need to do it. But number one, I didn’t account for my lung capacity being minimised. I didn’t account for how to take care of my nerves. I had public like spoken before. I’d done a lot of corporate stuff. But obviously, I didn’t have any training, I ended up ditching my notes because I was just out of breath. It went really well. But had I have known about what you do sooner, I probably could have smashed it out the ballpark.

And I’m glad that I did it because I just sort of thought, fuck it. I’m gonna do it. I don’t care how I look, I was humongous. Or how poorly like I might sound I’m just gonna do it because this opportunity is so great. So I feel, again, there’s probably a lot more opportunities that I could capitalise on if I had my kit ready, like something that you help business owners to put together. And like you said, women and men that have already gone through your course, have already started to kick those goals. And how have you found that, I’m thinking this because I am the COVID factor, now it’s like events are ramping up again, or is it like people are stepping in front of these virtual platforms to and that is something that you also have seen like what is that kind of trend looking like?

Jaimie Abbott:

Yeah, that’s a great question. In fact, it’s almost as if the opportunities have doubled I do a lot of speaking paid speaking gigs virtually. And I charge the same amount. I was a chair mc of an event recently and it was all online. For two days, in many ways, it was actually more draining sort of emotionally being on camera the whole time. As opposed to on a stage, I felt like I was on the whole time. I came out feeling really exhausted. It was a lot of panel discussion where I had to really stimulate the discussion rather than just letting the speaker speak. And then I could turn my camera off, I was on pretty much the whole two days.

So there are more opportunities for people to speak because of this virtual world. Now, that has really opened up post COVID. Plus, we have the live event component as well. So there really there’s double the amounts because previously logistics got in the way of organising an event in person. And now zoom mostly is where I do the more stream yard. And that’s now enabled us to put on more events and be more accessible. So I think it’s just even more so now as a speaker than it ever has been. The opportunities are certainly there.

Hayley Osborne:

That’s a really good insight. You should put that on your social media, because, times are changing so much. I never would have thought that. So in terms of how successful your business has been to date, and will continue to be, is there and I asked this question, but is there one thing or one person that you feel has been most influential for you?

Jaimie Abbott:

Yeah, great question. Tina Tower that’s how I met you. It’s really funny because I started out a year ago with a woman called Sarah. And she was my first sort of introduction into the world of online courses, and I’m still in her academy. So I wouldn’t be where I am now in the online course world, if it wasn’t for her. I just learned the technical aspect on how to put together a course through her. But then she uses Thinkific and I love Kajabi. I just love as the user signing up to a course and using Kajabi. So then I discovered Tina Tower. And she’s a fabulous online course creators, specialist teachers, women who use Kajabi how to really thrive in their business. I’m like the perfect customer, I’m sure you are too.

And so that was just speaking to me. And then I jumped into her Empire Builder programme, I think it was April 2022. So this year that I jumped in, and really just embraced it. I already had sort of the course being put together and almost finished it by that stage and I followed her live launch formula to a tea. And I have no doubt in my mind, that’s why I was able to do $33,000 In my first live launch, because I really just followed her advice and her templates but put it into Jamie speak of course because I’m not Tina Tower. But I really do credit that with we’ve just been really influential so both women really Sarah at the start, and then Tina Tower now with the Kajabi side and a live launching side. I wouldn’t be where I am now the business, the income has quadrupled in the last 12 months since I’ve gone online. And since I’ve launched this course and really niched down into the online public speaking teaching entrepreneurs how to get highly paid to speak business.

Hayley Osborne:

So do you think now you haven’t invested versus you not investing to upskill yourself in a programme the trajectory would be very different, right? Because I feel like a lot of people are sitting on the fence with investing in strategy mentoring coaching, like whatever that looks like whatever they’re kind of struggling in and, you’re living proof that when you invest in yourself and on your business, your growth is a lot steeper, like to where you want to go than if you just stayed in the same place. So had you not taken those chances in initially in investing in yourself, what would that way up look like for you? It was either stay in the same place or bust.

Jaimie Abbott:

Yeah, absolutely. That’s a really good point because I’ve been surrounded by people who are very successful writing seven, eight figure businesses, many of whom had been my clients and the PR side of things. And they’ve always talked about the importance of coaches and investing in yourself and seeking out mentors, who are where you want to be. I never have really done it. And probably the reason was, it’s expensive to invest in a good coach and a good programme. It’s not cheap, and you think, wow, that’s all my profits, or I might have to put that onto the credit card and go into debt. I’m sure a lot of people listening right now are thinking that. And so that’s why I probably hesitated for many years to invest in that. And because you don’t see the evidence straight away. But like any sport, elite sports person does get to coach, I looked at people where I wanted to be who are earning, more than million dollars, seven, eight figure businesses in where I want to want to be. And I thought, well, I’m gonna learn from them. So I’m going to pay them to coach me.

And I think in with Tina Tower’s programme it’s the community. And many other programmes, offer similar Facebook groups and that community access, even just attending masterclasses on Zoom, you get to see all these other people and reach out to them, you know their name, and you might connect with them on Facebook or Instagram. And so that is priceless. As far as opening up opportunities, and it’s not competitive either. So even if I did marketing, which I don’t I’ve really had to learn my own business.

But if I did marketing, and you did marketing, we’re not competitive, because there’s so many opportunities online, and people may resonate with you, and they love learning from you. Or they may not like learning from me or vice versa. It’s really it’s like the wild wild west. It’s always changing. And there’s so many opportunities, because there’s so many people around the world who still don’t even have the internet so I want to talk about untapped potential out there as far as more and more people coming online, and then online just becoming more and more of our standard way of doing business.

Hayley Osborne:

I feel like the ease of transaction to when you surround yourself inside of a community just becomes priceless. I have read a lot, and I listened to a lot of educational kind of podcasts and things that, you’re only as good as the people that you surround yourself with. So whether that’s business owners or your friends, that’s your glass ceiling. So I definitely feel like community, in business  makes up lifts you to achieve better things. And even like you said, if somebody else was to do what you do in the public speaking space or marketing, I often like to use the analogy how many coffee shops are there? Right, there’s a lot, they are all different in their own respect. And they’re all doing well. So there’s room to coexist for everyone. And like you said, what resonates with you might not resonate with me to get to the end, like the same result. So communities everything, definitely in business. Alrighty, so would that be one thing you wish you’d done sooner is invest in yourself?

Jaimie Abbott:

Yes, absolutely. I wish I’d got online sooner. And I wish I had gone on to Instagram sooner. Do you know up until this year, I’d only ever use Instagram, mainly as an editing sort of device to be able to put filters on so I could then save the photo to Facebook. But now I’ve got 5000 followers on Instagram and I’m on there daily doing stories, doing reels going live posting carousels. And it really has helped my business, especially female coaches, they’re all on there. And I’ve got so many sales course sales. I’ve got a public speaking Academy membership now and people have jumped in just from seeing my stories and resonating with my reels. I wish I had done that sooner.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah, that’s right. So in terms of your social media presence do you would do put it down to consistency as like the number one thing for your success because I see a lot of people like hot and cold. Why aren’t I doing well in my business guys. It’s free if you’re doing organic content and you’re not running any paid advertising and organic content is so powerful but you have to appear you are either like on social media or you are using social media, which one is it? And there’s story upon story of success I see.

And it only takes a short amount out of your day to plan like a month in advance of your socials, I mean, leading into giving birth to my second child, I had three months of content planned, because I knew this was a really important element to my strategy. So I knew that life is gonna get a bit bumpy and unpredictable. And I’m telling you now I’m telling everyone if I can do it, anyone can do it. So get planning get into that deep thinking that like provides the best, most creative outcomes.

Jaimie Abbott:

Yeah, just to add to that, I could not agree more this thing is, it’s not easy. And if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. It is so hard, and it’s not just one thing, either. It’s not just one thing, you say, I’ll do this and your business will be successful. You have to do all the things you have to be on LinkedIn reaching out, you have to be speaking at events, you have to be sending emails to your database, you need to be doing stories, going live appearing on podcasts, punching out content, logs, videos, really where it’s at, but also blog and using that for SEO, you have to do everything.

Because there is not one thing. So what if your funnel for someone to come into your world, there’s so many things you can do. If you just stick to one thing, and think I’m just gonna do Instagram only, then that’s probably not going to cut it. And that’s probably why so few people will not so few. But there’s a lot of people trying and a lot of people do give up or they go cold, as you said, because it’s consistency. And it’s a lot of work. But you put in and you get back. And it’s not a short term thing, either. It’s at least six months solid. So coming up to a launch, you got to have a huge runway and you can’t just be cold and then appear one month before the launch. Either you need to be consistent and nurturing your audience with that free content. That’s certainly my strategy. And I wish I’d learned that sooner. I wish I started blog writing and doing videos sooner than I did.

Hayley Osborne:

That’s like the marketing mix, right? You have to do all the things and that’s something I teach inside my membership Superhero Marketing is to learn to do all the things and take it in bite sized pieces. So you don’t feel overwhelmed. But it becomes like that habit, that routine where you don’t have to think with your full brain all the time. It’s just auto, it becomes autopilot. I send an EDM every week to my audience, I am on my stories every day. But if you are having to think about it, because you just haven’t done it your confidence comes after you show up and balls up a fair few times.

And then that creates confidence, not the other way around. I’ll wait till I’m confident or wait till I’m feeling confident to show up, just do it. Send that email, show up on your stories be consistent in your Instagram feed, whether that’s video or static content or whatever it is. But I feel like that’s something that people are really scared of is how do they become confident but that I guess it’s something that you teach inside your course because confidence is huge for public speaking.

Jaimie Abbott:

Absolutely, It’s all that faking it till you make it. It’s funny, I interviewed someone on my own podcast recently. He’s a buyer’s agent, and his name is Jack Henderson. And he is super successful. And he said to me, you know, Mark Burris these famous people, they aren’t necessarily the best in the industry, but they are the most well known, and people will buy from people they know. And so that’s why he has a huge TikTok following and he’s getting leads and sales clients from TikTok, and Instagram. So he was all about that just putting yourself out there becoming known because people buy from people that are showing up. It’s not just on him to have something to say, just stop in the moment. What am I doing today? What did I do today and just speak to the camera and just you know, do a quick 60 second story or do a reel talking about one topic that a client might have asked you about a question. And that’s just that consistency. That will certainly pay off.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah, that’s really good advice too. And I feel like people hesitate because they’re like, Oh no, what I’m doing isn’t that fun? Or what I’m doing is boring but not to your audience. Because you know, the average consumer these days are really nosy and we want to know everything about you.

Jamie Abbott:

Absolutely, I think it’s always the personal stories as well that tend to get the most amount of engagement. Even though you think, Oh, no one wants to hear about me, that’s all about them and what I can do for them, no one cares. But every time I share something personal, even if it’s I’ve been feeling sick or something about a struggle I’m having that morning with my kids not wanting to get in the car. And how hard being a working mum is people always DM me when it comes to that. So yeah, it’s just documenting and just putting it out there what’s going on in your life and just providing a three-dimensional element to you. It’s going to help people think well, I really relate to this girl or this guy. I’m going to buy from them or I’m going to buy into their products, their courses their world.

Hayley Osborne:

Also, I think we just we I’ve totally missed this. But Hello, award winning lady. Can you just tell us about that little journey quickly? What awards you’ve won.

Jaimie Abbott:

Thank you The Aus mumpreneur awards, I got third in regional business excellence in New South Wales. Blown away by that. It’s funny. I was a finalist in two categories. And I thought that I really nailed the business pivot because I had completely done a 180 from in person training to online. But then when they announced that one, and I wasn’t a final, I didn’t get first, second or third. On the night I started drinking. away, I’m going to win Regional Business Excellence. And then yeah, I got the pink trophy, which was the third out of 15 finalists in my category. And it was just amazing.

Hayley Osborne:

Congratulations. So we’ve been talking for ages. I just feel like it’s so easy to talk to you. All right. So question, what is the number one piece of advice that you would give business owners right now?

Jaimie Abbott:

Start putting out free content now. So put out a blog, put out a video. A video is a first preference, I was actually training someone the other day and he said, I’m overwhelmed with everything I need to do. And I said, just start putting videos out there, put them on Instagram, then download them from Instagram, put them on Facebook, LinkedIn, TikTok, repurpose it. Get it transcribed. Turn it into a blog just from that one video. Yeah, that’s the one piece of advice I would give is put out videos.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah. And then reappropriate it rather than reinvent the wheel. And also asking for a friend. Myself. What is the number one piece of advice you would give for women in business with a young family?

Jaimie Abbott:

I don’t want to sound cliche, but outsource. So you know, I do work a lot of hours my partner luckily, he’s generally a stay at home dad, apart from some work that he does on the side. But try and outsource even if that means getting pre prepared meals for yourself and hobby, or vice versa. You’re the hubby that cooks and even just outsource so you can be a parent not spending time in the kitchen when you come home from your business day. I’m not in the kitchen cooking meals. I was doing Hello Fresh for a while but even that was keeping me in the kitchen for 30 minutes. Even though all the ingredients they still had to cook it all. Now I try and get caterers to help with food like family members, you foods meals, try and outsource what you can now I’ve now have a cleaner as well, I use babysitters a lot as well. Even just to help my other half get them bathe because they know that they’re 18 months apart the boy is a full on Yeah, so we’ll get a babysitter to help them get dinner, get them into bed because I might be working late two nights a week. So that certainly has helped alleviate my stress made me a better business owner and then I’ve been more successful as a result.

Hayley Osborne:

And also when you have those tasks taken out, I find the cleaning and the food you’re actually a better mum as well.

Jaimie Abbott:

So true. Yeah, I am a better mum and I get my cup filled from my business. I love that. And so that means when I go home, I’m happier. I’ve also got an office now I was working from home didn’t work for me. I didn’t have that disconnect from the home office. And I felt like I was at work all the time. And I was grumpy. Whereas now when I drive home, I’m mum in house mode. And so that disconnect, personally has really helped me.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah, you did say that on the project. Another stellar piece that you’ve appeared in. I did say that you’re obviously in your office now I’m in my wardrobe. But you know what I actually have a purpose, like built office in my house. There’s a balance there. And there’s a clear-cut line. And I’ve been doing it for a few years. So I’ve really trained myself to have that separation from home life. I feel I’m a bit the same, but I’ve made it work inside the house. You’ve got a busy week, this week. And next week, another busy week. So for those of you who are wondering how they can connect with you online and learn more about what you do, where can our listeners find you and stalk you?


Jaimie Abbott:

I’ve got the same handle for LinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. It’s just Jamie Abbott, on my website jamieabbott.com. You all roads will lead you to my website, Google me as well. And I actually have a free guide. It’s just a quick checklist on how to become a highly paid speaker, you can download that from my website on my LinkedIn bio. You can’t miss it.

Hayley Osborne:

I love that. Well, Jaimie, thank you so much for like giving me your time to come on the podcast today. And I know that my listeners will definitely learn so much from you. I have loved talking to you. And I feel that we need to like reconnect in it on my podcasts in you know, like six to 12 months time because it would be worth check in and you are like a dream to talk to. I’ve loved this chat so much thank you.

Jaimie Abbott:

I have to have you on my podcast, absolutely!

Hayley Osborne:

Season Four. Yep. So for anyone. What’s your podcast name so people can find you, or if they want to quickly tap over to find you to add you to their favourites? How do they do that?

Jaimie Abbott:

They can just type in my name. I google podcasts or apple but it’s perfect public speaking. It was perfect PR. And this isn’t three I’ve changed the name to perfect public speaking once again. niching down more. You can type that in and it will pop up hopefully top perfect public speaking.

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