EPISODE 16: When you’re passionate, it never feels like work- with Chad Hetherington

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Do you ever wonder how Billion Dollar businesses get started? In today’s episode I chat with self-made entrepreneur Chad Hetherington, co-founder and CEO of The Stable. One of USA’s biggest omnichannel agency’s managing some of the world’s biggest brands like Netflix, Sony, Ring, SPANX, hims and hers, quip, Cora, Johnson and Johnson, Procter & Gamble and so many more. A proud South Australian based in the USA, 2021 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year finalist Chad is humble, down to earth, and crazy inspiring!

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Chad Hetherington’s Bio

I am so excited today to bring you an interview with an absolutely epic entrepreneur. That is lighting up the USA with everything he touches. Adelaide born Chad Hetherington is the co founder and CEO of the stable leading commerce agency he established with business partner like Nick Lawson in 2015. In the United States, he connects brands and consumers across both retail and direct to consumer channels.

Chad is 41 He is an entrepreneur who launched this company from a small conference room in downtown Minneapolis with six people and as we know as entrepreneurs an abundance of passion and innovative ideas, and has over seven years, guided the stable three major growth chapters that have positioned the company as a true world leader. The stable employs 500 plus people with offices as well in LA Seattle and Bentonville, and partners with leading consumer brands leveraging their full suite of omni channel capabilities, which includes retail launch and management, direct to consumer Design, Development media, creative data insights that help drive awareness and sales across the online and offline retail space.

The stable works with 1000 plus brands, and this is huge overseas more than 4 billion. That’s right 4 billion in annual retail sales. Super impressively ranked number 229 in the 2021 Inc 5000. And if you know what I’m talking about, you’ll know this is a big deal. Chad’s entrepreneurial journey started in his hometown of Adelaide, which is where I’m from in the late 90s. And he started work as a bartender until he knocked on every TV station and production companies door looking for unpaid work. While he slugged it out with his you know, secondary job finally got a few gigs working across TV and short films, but knew that he was his entrepreneurial spirit was shining through and he founded a company called logic films, which basically very quickly established itself as one of the largest production companies in Adelaide.

Eventually though, it would be America that would lure Chad, and in 2007, he packed his bags and headed for LA. Since then, Chad has been involved in so many new business endeavours, including his own venture investment fund cleverly named the barn, which has now invested in over a dozen companies. In 2015, Chad launched the stable with the goal of completely reinventing the retail broker industry and build an agency that was best position for where the world of retail was headed. A self made success story who never attended university. Chad’s driven by the philosophy that passion and persistence lies at the heart of every successful career. His no college no worries approach initiative at the stable, sees the company offer paid internships to those who didn’t have the chance to go to university, but show potential and display these similar attributes. Chad is a board member of the University of Minneapolis College of Design, he is the 2021 earnest and Young Entrepreneur of the Year finalist and was named one of the top 100 business leaders to watch in 2021 by Twin Cities business.

Transcription

Hayley Osborne:

Welcome to the podcast, Chad Hetherington, I am so excited that you are here. How are you?

Chad Hetherigton:

Great. How are you?

Hayley Osborne:

I’m good. Thank you so much for joining me. And I would like I have obviously introduced you to my audience through your stellar bio. But in your own words, Chad, tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, I mean, so originally, I grew up here in Atlanta, which is where I’m visiting right now very happy to be home for a couple of weeks. I’ve been an entrepreneur for 20 odd years, either running my own businesses or working alone alongside entrepreneurs. And currently living in the US where I’ve been now for the last 15 years. Started in the television business, actually. So I had my own production company and shooting TV commercials and TV shows documentaries. And I made the move to the US back in 2007. And for the last seven years now, being operating and running a company I started way back, it seems that way back now 2015, so not that long ago, but feels that way, we’re called the stable. And so we’re a commerce agency, we help brands of all sizes, some of the world’s best brands, and we help activate them and sell products both across retail channels like Target and Walmart and Amazon, direct to consumer.

And we have a whole division that helps brands build their experiences DTC, got immediate business, a creative team and kind of a holistic kind of go to market team that helps brands just kind of be more successful out there in the marketplace. So about 500 people now we’ve got offices in Minneapolis, Bentonville, Arkansas, Seattle, Los Angeles. And yeah, it’s having a tone of fun.

Hayley Osborne:

It sounds like it. And it also sounds like a tone of work. But if you’re passionate and you are, then it’s not really like work, is it?

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, I was saying that the other day actually, I was like, I think it was maybe someone back in high school was one of the teachers because I was there at the high school the other day. And they said, it was one of the teachers I clearly remember, I just can’t remember who the teacher was. But somebody had said, you know, why would you ever want to work? And I said, yeah, like totally. And that was like, that’s one of those little nuggets that’s kind of stuck with me the whole time. And I think what it meant to me was that, if you know, you are passionate about what you do, you know, that doesn’t feel like work. You know, it just is something that you just love doing and building. And to me, that’s kind of been most of my life journey since then.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah, yep. So let’s talk about Chad, the entrepreneur. So you’ve basically known from the get go, that you were charging towards big things in your career in your life. What really inspired you to make the move from Adelaide, South Australia over to LA?

Chad Hetherigton:

I think, I didn’t really know. I knew about entrepreneurship, obviously. And was, I guess one because I’d started a company and was running it and doing all that but it was always about kind of like the next kind of step forward for me like what was the next thing to accomplish in my career because he’s very passionate and hungry and hustled hard and all that fun stuff. And what happened was my production company here it was doing very well it was very good kind of solid business, doing what I love most which was shooting commercials and TV shows and things like that. And started looking at like different ways of which way to take the business at the time. So we were doing a whole bunch of different projects.

We were doing like SMS promotions with like independent distillers, doing like the old vodka cruiser full pack wraps, win a holiday and things like that. It was always just trying to find like little niches for where we could grow the business to like a really scalable level. And what was interesting was I never had run the exercise of like, if all of my editing suites were booked at 12 hours a day, three or 365 days a year at full rates, this is just what my revenue would be. Because it was like 20 years like 22 or 23, you know, I just started the company because I love doing it. And just honestly, I couldn’t see the scale anymore, and just you know what we were doing at that time. So you know, the US was always interesting to me, we had clients in the US, and those projects were always big.

And when I was making ads for, you know, 20, grand or 25 grand, and then the clients would go off and make millions at retail, I was like, man, I gotta get into the ring and figure out that. And at the time my mentor, who runs a bunch of companies here, you know super successful entrepreneur, and still one of the best in my opinion out of SA, he convinced me to come work in the US for his company, jumped on a plane and flew to America, I didn’t really know anybody. But you know, for the last 15 years, I’ve really just been building that network and kind of staying focused and keeping my eyes open for what opportunities would come up next. And through kind of a wave that you go through when you’re building your career ended up, in 2015, obviously, starting with stable and, and so far, that company has been most becoming pretty, pretty successful.

Hayley Osborne:

Wow! And, you know, I feel like when you’re starting out in business, marketing yourself and putting your brand or yourself, if that’s your brand out there is actually really difficult because you know, all these things go through your head, but by not marketing yourself and your brand, there’s so many wasted opportunities that you don’t know, you don’t know, you know what I mean? So I just feel like, yeah, you know, the safe bet is putting yourself out there because that is when you have your biggest rewards. I think we’ve you know, business and entrepreneurship.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, no, totally. One of my first clients for logic films, my production company was a company called cartridge world who i’ve met at like, a couple of networking events here in Adelaide many years ago. And, you know, if I hadn’t attended those events, or walked around and met people and introduced myself, I wouldn’t have had that client. And so same theory goes, you know, in the US, which is, hey, you didn’t know anyone. So as you get to meet people, back then it was like, keep their business cards and stay in regular touch. And sometimes people would ask me why I go to so many happy hours and dinners and breakfasts and coffees and things like that.

But honestly, it was all just like networking, and like building that network, so that you’ve got, you know, and those people may stay in your life, they may not right, but you know, try and take away something from each of those meetings. And then at some point, you’re going to know who to call when, you know, an opportunity arises. And you’re like, hey, I know that person, we met through coffee years ago, and you know, then you’re off doing business with them.

Hayley Osborne:

All right. Next question. You started the stable, essentially, from your lounge room. And then from a small boardroom, I’d love you to tell my listeners the number one driver, it was to scale your business to what it is now, from such humble beginnings.

Chad Hetherigton:

It was the stables business plan, which we’re now starting to stay out was this cross platform agency that brought many desperate kinds of worlds together from media creative retail brokerage and DTC. And so it kind of had to, if we were to actually be successful building that out, it kind of had to get to the scale that is now starting to get to if we were to do it the right way. So I think that was intentional from the start. It was never, hey, we want to be big because we want to be big like I just I don’t think that’s a good motto for any entrepreneurs to start a business. I think you should start a business because you see opportunity and you want to do something you love.

But you know, when you’re starting out, you’re starting out on a couch with a business plan that you’re putting together and you might not have all the pieces for it. But you know, it was kind of like I said before, it’s like a one step two step three steps and you just kind of keep growing. But we were very determined when we were starting out we were very clear on what we were trying to build. How we got there again, like didn’t have all the answers. I don’t think anyone really does.

Hayley Osborne:

That’s really good to know, no one really does you just go little bit by little bit.

Chad Hetherigton:

We do. Yeah. But you know, you have some days that are obviously really tough right running a business. It’s not I mean, it’s hard, right? I mean, I think that’s, just part of the game, it’s going to be difficult, it’s going to be challenging, but we were determined to see it through. And we believed in the model well enough that, you know, we were able to gather lots of clients who were excited about the momentum that we were building about the culture, we were building, you know.

People that want to be successful, whether they’re a brand wanting to be successful retail, or they’re a business that want to be successful, whether they’re an individual who, you know, has aspiring goals, they want to be around people that are motivating. And so we did create this, like real culture of like, motivation, collaboration, and, momentum. And I think people are drawn to that, you know, excitement level. So, that really was the humble culture that we set out to build when we started the company. And that’s continued to see its way through now. Which is pretty awesome.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah. And I think, you know, if you didn’t have the culture that you have, then you wouldn’t attract the employees that you do. And therefore the brands that you do, because people can see through bullshit essentially, at the end of the day, you know, and that’s kind of like, fundamental. So the stable now works with 1000s of brands and overseas, more than 4 billion in annual retail sales. Who is your biggest brand? I love this question I’ve been wanting to ask you. Who is your biggest brand come on?

Chad Hetherigton:

So you know, I’d say we’ve had a lot of change in the business. So I’ll say first, we had a few acquisitions at the end of last year. So I work, probably can’t quote me like who is the biggest right now? It changes

Hayley Osborne:

Who is the most famous?

Chad Hetherigton:

Well, one of the most famous brands that we worked with was ring, which sold to Amazon for I think, a couple years ago. So the video doorbell, which everybody’s houses now seems to have around the world, which is pretty cool. So working with them. We work with Netflix, we work with Sony, we work with hims, and hers, we work with quip, Johnson and Johnson Procter and Gamble. And so it’s a real mix. We have like, earlier challenges, disruptive brands that need to see first now coming to retail, and then more established brands that have been around for 50 to 100 years who are changing up how they’re going to market and they’re in our portfolio as well. So it’s a real diverse mix of clients. I couldn’t even tell you who my favourite one is, because there’s so many.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah, and they’re all so different. I guess that’s what makes it really interesting, right, is that it’s not just niching in one particular segment, it’s like you’ve got a nice cross section keeps you on your toes. And you have to keep them on their toes by coming up with amazing ideas.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, totally I mean when,you know, we were acquired to Shopify agencies in December. So PVA, and Cena. And so because of that, pick up a whole bunch of new clients that, you know, they’ve helped build some of the most killer websites out there from Fiji water to Spanx and others. And it’s really cool now to be working with those brands on some of these other new projects, whether they’re retail projects, or, you know, new product launches, things like that.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah, and I guess, the spin down from that is, you know, these brands, you’re actually influencing people’s lives, and you’re making impacts, and you’re doing it on mass, that must feel pretty good.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, it’s good. And especially when you know, the beauty space, the personal care space, the food and beverage space, like they’ve been three really fun areas to work in and work alongside brands who are really trying to change the world, in terms of even just how we eat and consume food. And everyone’s seen the, you know, plant based movement over the last few years and how that’s really, you know, blown up. And we get to work with some of the leaders in that space every day. And some of the product innovations that they’ve got over the next few years are really exciting. And, you know, it’s just i’m learning every day, which is cool.

Hayley Osborne:

That’s awesome. All right. Now, I wanted to ask you a few less like bizo questions, more personal questions. Is there one thing or one person you feel that’s been most influential in your journey so far?

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, I mean, if you’ve had people that have been influential throughout the period. And sometimes it’s, you know, they’re influential for three years or five years or 20 years, you know, and whether you know them or you don’t know them, right, you might look up to them and say, hey what these folks are doing is really cool. And, you know, wouldn’t it be cool if one day we were doing stuff like that, you know, but directly? Yeah, there’s, there’s certainly been a handful, right? Like, in the early days, it was, your family that motivates you, right, and you want to do good things for your family, and prove that you can do it. And then you as you meet people over the years, lots of other people, again, like coming to your life that, you know, motivate you and excite you and you learn from over those years, I’d say the biggest one, for me was probably who made the most impact was Ben Kauffman, who was the founder of quirky and I worked for him for five years in New York.

And he’s probably one of the most amazing entrepreneurs that I’ve met. And he now runs, what is probably the coolest toy experience store in the States called Camp. And, you know, he was, I think, 16 or 17, when he founded his first company out of high school, and, you know, sold that company. And, you know, he’s a dear friend of mine, and someone who I’ve certainly learned from over the years in terms of probably in terms of lots of things, but he’s, he’s probably the one for me that’s probably made the most impact, for sure.

Hayley Osborne:

And is there something or one thing that you’d wish that you’d done sooner in your business journey?

Chad Hetherigton:

There probably always is! And like I said before I wish I ran that POMA exercise. But you know actually, I was asked this similar question on the day, I don’t think there’s one thing I changed, honestly. I mean, there’s been issues, and there’s been fire drills you know, stuff, you could have done better for sure, like, 100%, so many failures along the way. But that’s part of it, you know, that’s part of the journey, it’s never going to be perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. And just, it’s impossible to even think that that’s going to be real. And so I’ve come to enjoy the failures in a way, like I kind of, if I think I’m gonna do something, right, and then I get it wrong It actually like it really humbles me, you know.

And that just teaches you how to do it better the next time around, you know, and that’s what failure to me means. I don’t think it really means failure, it means to do it different than next time, if you have the ability and the chance to do it. You know, and I mean, there was days in the first couple years, right? I mean, we were growing exceptionally fast. At the time, we had lots of new brands that were signing up as clients, you know, we didn’t have enough money in the bank to hire new staff, let alone even pay our current staff. And so Nick and I, my business partner, who’s been working alongside me for the next last seven years, along with my wife, Kate, who was in the business up until recently, we were putting our hands in our pockets, making payroll payments every two weeks for months.

And that’s what the business needed, you know, my house was on the line with our bank line at the time, because our payment terms were pretty crappy. We didn’t have a strong finance structure in place, we didn’t have a CFO, I mean, we were literally running the business off spreadsheets, all while still trying to make sure that our clients were being successful because they essentially come first. So, you know, that’s a lot of stuff that you go through in those early days, and you’re coming home saying, man, am I gonna get through this and start putting together you know, future plans.

And next thing, you know, you’re, you’ve gotten through that period, and you’re paying on time, and we’re getting paid, you know, and hiring people and the business starts to go the other way, which is good, but again I would never take that back. I’d never go back and say like, Hey, like, go to CFO on day one, you know, I’m glad I went through that. Because it again just proves doesn’t matter who you are or what background you’ve had, it’s still going to be tough.

Hayley Osborne:

So what would be the number one piece of advice that you’d give business owners now?

Chad Hetherigton:

Just don’t give up. Honestly, like, just keep going, you know, and even if the business doesn’t work out, right, if the say like, you’ve tried everything, it’s just, you know, you have to be done with it for whatever reason, and you’re gonna go through a tough period, maybe after that, you know, but don’t think that’s the end, you know, that’s just a learning curve.

And tomorrow’s another day and you figure it out, you go off to something more successful. And, again, lots of lots of friends of mine who have had businesses not succeed, have gone on to do great things after that, you know, life’s not over, you know, it just kind of sometimes that just happens, so my one advice is just, keep going.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah. Now, we haven’t touched on necker Island at all, and how Richard Branson has played an influence in your life. Tell us, tell me the story, please. This is me like super nosey, I wanna know

Chad Hetherigton:

It’s was quite funny. So the day after I graduated high school, at Findon High, when I finished high school, I didn’t know what I was going to do.

Hayley Osborne:

Can I just interrupt and say, yeah how we actually know each other. So Chad, and I went to primary school together. That’s how we know each other. And I’m friends with his brother. And now he’s on my podcast. Okay, so sorry listeners, but this is we actually know each other personally as well. So okay, back to your story. Sorry to interrupt you. High School finished, yep.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yep. So I was walking down Rundle Mall and Adelaide one day, and I popped into the Borders Bookstore. And if you remember boarders used to put on their headphones to listen to music. And I kind of saw the biography section. And I saw Richard Branson’s book losing my virginity, and, you know, pretty thick book, I wasn’t much of a reader, but I thought you know, actually, my parents would talk a lot about him and see him on TV doing all these crazy stunts. And so I bought the book and went home and I read it, I read the whole thing. And I was like, wow, this guy makes business look really fun, and he’s created such a fun culture and brand.

And so you know, it changed my whole perspective of a business man, when you think it’s like suit and ties in the city and downtown, you know and he’s like creating companies that are, you know, his life and kind of an extension of him and fun and all this stuff. And again, gave me a whole different perspective. And I said, you know, I’d love to, again take that and take what my old teacher said, of not you know, wanting to make it feel like work. If I can put them together and put them into businesses, that could be really fun. So he was an inspiration in those early days.

And what the funny thing is, in his book is he talked about Necker Island, which is the island he owns in the Caribbean. And I said to my friends at the time, that one day, I’m gonna go to Necker Island, I think they all laughed at me, because that was, one of those wild dreams you know, whatever, but it was always on my list of goals of like, get to Necker, somehow, someway. And, you know, as COVID hit, you know I was coming to turn 40 and looking for places to go. We were gonna go to Turks and Caicos, which is a beautiful island. But, you know, the mandates were a bit stricter at that time, and Necker had happened to be open. So, a couple of wines one night, we’re kind of looking into it more than saying, you know, maybe we should just try and go there. So my wife and I booked it, we booked five nights.

And you know, we got over there we landed out towards Harlow, which is a little while, kind of near Necker and Virgin boat picked us up, I think I drank a bottle of champagne the whole way to Necker Island, which was about a 20 minute boat ride, because I was actually pretty nervous because I was like this. It’s like seeing New York for the first time or seeing like something you’ve seen and read about for your whole life that you’ve been as a personal goal. And I’m coming to Necker and I’m just like, kind of freaking out a little bit. And, you know, the virgin fokes like, come and meet us and they tell us that we’re the only ones on the island outside of Richard in his family.

So we spent the five days on the island, and the very last day once we got past the four day kind of bubble and we tested negative. I said Richard’s going to come up and have breakfast with you. So we have a two hour breakfast just me, him and my wife Kate we sat there and told stories for two hours. And he was just as incredible as what I’ve read and learned about him and, you know, a very happy host and was glad that we were there because I don’t think that had many people on the island during COVID. So just happenstance, you know, on my birthday celebration, I’m sitting with the guy read about when I was 17. On his island, it’s pretty, pretty wild. So much so that we were back.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah. And they had a great time. The kids loved it.

Chad Hetherigton:

Loved it, yeah I mean, it’s an incredible Island. incredible experience. Definitely, probably the most special place I’ve ever been on the planet.

Hayley Osborne:

Yay. How like, inspiring and motivational and, you know, it really does, like, prove to so many people, not just business owners that if you do dream about something, it’s not that far fetched, you know, things are achievable if you work hard enough to get what you want. And you just have to put yourself out there.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah. 100% it’s like I said, persistence, and continuing on and not letting failure and issues get in the way and just continue to kind of push yourself and your limits and try new things. And one of the missions I’ve always been on is proving them wrong, which is even yourself. And just stretching yourself to be like, you know, could I actually do this? And yeah, next thing, you know, like things, things in business open up like that, you know, whether it’s being able to see out goals like that being able to give back and we have a big giveback programme, at stable, and we’ve donated tones of money to charity partners. And yeah, I mean they’re things that when you start out, you don’t think about that now, businesses help influence and you have the ability to do really good things. And you know that’s what makes it really special.

Hayley Osborne:

Yeah. Awesome. Well, Chad, thank you so much for taking the time to be on my podcast. This has been such an awesome chat. And I know that the listeners are going to absolutely love it take so much out of it take a lot of inspiration and motivation from everything you’ve said. Now, if people want to connect with you, I would love you to tell our listeners how they can and how they can learn more about what you do.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, I’m Chad at the stable.com. So people can email me whenever they want. If they want to check out the stable, which are obviously my latest venture, it’s the stable.com. And the second company that my business partner, and I just started about a year ago called the bond. So the bond.fund is our other website. And we’re, we run a small venture capital fund that invests in retail and tech companies and things like that. So always on the lookout for, you know, up and coming brands and entrepreneurs that we can help support or just help out, get connections and things like that. So always available.

Hayley Osborne:

I love it. All right, Chad. Well, that’s a wrap. Thank you. And I look forward to seeing you again soon.

Chad Hetherigton:

Yeah, thanks again.

Hayley Osborne:

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